How are you doing?
How is your face? Got eyes nose mouth ears hands 10 fingers 10 toes two legs.Are they all intact. Ok so maybe 6 or 7 out of 10 guys are above average in how good they look to women.Not frequently but your run into guys that girls say ..J:Hey that guy is cute!" But mostly more or less,... everyone is not ugly were you stare at them for being weird or think they are weird.Cetainly you have lately seen anyone that has no face or a face that is so bad that you even feel sorry for the guy.Ok maybe
in your life you looked a a few people that you looked at and said TG i'm not like him and maybe you even stared at them. And while we are on the subject of looks, I know some of you guys are picky...but if it got down to it and the women were scarce in a population like some places on Earth, in your age range, how many women are there in that population of women is one so horid that was in your age range would you flat out refuse to get involved with.If it came down to it and i was really in a situation that women were like 2 women to 8 guys, my taste would loosen up real fast. I might even consider that girl over there that has that slight mustache on her. So she is a little bit hairy than most, I would want to be with her despite she is homely. I don't think there would be any girls that were so ugly that I wouldn't go out with them. Possibly 1 out of 40 or 50. But anyway 3 or 4 guys out of 100 maybe you notice makes some women actual turn around.Yo hear them go "not thats a hunk.? or whatever they call them. And the ones even better looking then that guy is in some sort of movie or model or maybe even a stud. But certainly there are not too many guys around that would make the girls turn their heads.
Well don't you think that you probably fit somewhere in the middle of average.You might even be a little above average looking.Maybe you are a bit under average looking.But looks isn't everything.What if you were a little below average but liked to kid around and you had no problem starting up a conversation with a girl very easily and were kind of comfortable around women. Your probably might do better then some better looking guys that have a hard time around women and
when you are around them they can tell that you are uncomfortable around them.You may look even that you are almost
afraid of them.Well if you happen to be good looking and you act like you are afraid of women, I think a lot of your looks down the drain. Do I suppose in your age range you could learn to be comfortable around women.When you do, you will find there
are women all over the place that will be nice to you back. And
the ones that aren't well screw them, is something wrong with them.What's the story? Do they think that they are so good looking that they wouldn't even consider talking nice to you.Must be they are so stuck up with themselves that they think their do do don't stink. Suddenly a female friend of your s that you have no problems with asks you if you noticed the girl over there. She then tell you that that girl is so shy with guys that it makes her act even nasty to guys.Wow. I thought it was me who had the problem?
Well let's finish it.Your brain works pretty good. You can even enjoy watching movies and listening to music because all of the complicated fancy nerve ending are all lined up perfectly so that you can see hear and even think about the movie you are watching.
Gosh. You realize that there is just so mush stuff that is hooked up good enough that your are ok with people in general.
Now lets talk about your penis.
After reading everything that I just wrote, are you going to sit there and tell me that there is something so wrong with your penis that girls are going to not like you for it? It is so darn stupid and illogical to even believe that after everything that we went over is ok, do you think your penis is going to let you down or ruin your relationship with women. There are tons of people here in the semi United States that are hanging out with each other of the opposite sex.So many that HIV was taking a lot of people out in the early 80
d. And even the young people get going real early now too. But maybe some guy or even girls make fun of you because you have a
small one. But if you do your homework, some girl might start up a rumor about you that your small but the girls say they better be careful of you because you know more and give out better sex than mike, the guy that the girls all know has a big one.
I don't know. Maybe I am talking to myself.Or have I gone crazy. Is there the possibility that I may be right about what I just wrote? Is what I just put down just about the truth or have I lost part of my brain and I am in a different world because that surely couldn't be the way things really are. Or are they?
I'll let you guys tell me.

Body image plays a big role in determining self-esteem and self-confidence for both men and women, and doesn't necessarily correlate with reality.

When I first became sexually aware, I was convinced that I was unattractive to the opposite sex. I didn't have a lot of facial hair or chest hair, wasn't heavily muscled, cleft-chinned or have a deep voice like the football player types that the girls seemed to want. I was a little under 6' and about 150lbs, with an asthenic build and girlish good looks. Years and many missed opportunities later, I realized that I had been exactly what a lot of girls were attracted to. Sure a lot of women go for Tom Sellek, but perhaps even more go for Leonardo DiCaprio.

When I did approach women my rather poor body image made me tentative and fearful of rejection. My defensiveness made the girls defensive. I seemed to do much better when I just stopped trying and waited for girls to approach me.

I've had a couple of lovers who I think most men would consider droolingly gorgeous, so much so that I would sometimes wonder "WTF is this woman doing in bed with me". When we got to the point where we could freely discuss our past and personal issues, I was amazed to find out that both of them had experienced difficulty meeting guys when they were younger as well. My response was that they could have just allowed a line of guys to form daily and picked out the one they wanted.

They had both attracted a lot of male attention, but the ones who actually approached them tended to be jerky types with large egos who seemed more interested in bagging a trophy than actually meeting them. They became naturally defensive when approached by this type, which I am sure made them appear aloof to most guys. The guys who they were really interested in never approached them, no doubt because they figured they didn't stand a chance.

I think this is one of the biggest lessons a person can learn in life. It's the feeling inside you that you're a good, decent person and it doesn't matter what you look like.

I really had this brought home to me when I was in high school. There was a boy who wasn't the best student in the world, he wasn't the best athlete, and he certainly wasn't the best looking. He was short, frumpy-looking, with frizzy hair and glasses.

But he was by far the best-liked and most respected boy in the entire school, by both boys and girls. The girls, in fact, practically stood in line to go out with him. Why? He had an inner goodness, a sweetness, a shining light that you couldn't miss. He simply radiated it. He was full of love and grace, even at that young age, and he was more of a grown-up man than any of the football jocks. You just felt good being his friend.

I'm not saying that just because someone is frumpy-looking, they are automatically a shining light, only that what matters is what's inside.

As another example, my twin daughters are 20, and they are what I would consider drop-dead gorgeous (not that I'm biased, of course). But they rarely bring young men for me to meet, and when they do, it's never a "big man on campus" type. I'm proud that they have a solid handle on the personal qualities that matter.

Look are important to a degree regardless. If somebodies severely disfigured by burns they will struggle to find a mate. That's how it is, and it doesn't matter how nice a person they are.

myrealname-- you brought up a great point about really stunning women. Yes, there are those who are stuck on themselves (don't have to be stunning to be that way- but you know what I mean)-- but sometimes it is because the men who have the most confidence to approach them, are the jerky guys. When you've spent most of your life approached by men who don't really care who you are-- and only care about your looks-- well, it makes you a bit standoffish I think.

I've heard that complaint from really beautiful women before-- that good men just don't approach or talk to them. I think a lot of men get intimidated by a stunning woman, and feel that she wouldn't notice them or be interested in them, so they don't even try.

Carole-- I know what you mean about an inner light. I remember talking to a friend of mine once-- her and some of her girlfriends were out clubbing one night-- and they met these two men. One of the men was a head-turner, a total hottie-- and the other was more average. Not bad, but not someone everyone notices. But the average guy had such a great personality and sense of humor, that by the end of the night, the women were more interested in him, then in the hot guy. His attractiveness quotient had risen and surpassed the hot guy-- so by the end of the night, he was considered a hottie as well!

Now, I'm not saying all hot people are a wasteland when it comes to personality, but I am saying, that our personalities can greatly increase, or decrease our physical appeal.

Exactly, Firefly. It's why most people consider their spouse to be very attractive. If you have strong feelings for a person, that person becomes beautiful to you.

It's about how you feel when you're with that person. It's about an inner quality they have that appeals to you. For anyone to say that "it doesn't matter how nice" someone is ... well, that's just ignorance and a lack of meaningful life experience.

I know your dig was at me so answer me this.

Would you get in a relationship with a small dicked guy with burn scars over his face, if he was a nice and treated others well?

I know instead you'll probably ignore my question and have a dig at me. But believe me, when I say I've had plenty of life experience. You Ideologies consist of feminism and Idealism, if you look outside your bubble of a joy-joy world, you'll see the world isn't as pretty as you think.

That sounds like the situation the teacher from "Pay it Forward" was in - except we know nothing about his dick.

To answer your question, it depends on how the guy is to the person in question. If that guy is genuinely charming, then he could form romantic bonds as needed - it's a challenge, but not impossible or unheard of.

Also, quite a few of women have a "rescuer's complex", believing that they have to take it upon themselves to "help" the men they find themselves in love with. That is possibly one reason as to why some women stick with some men hoping that they change their ways and/or rescue them from a bad situation. If they do that, more power to them.



Yikes, that's harsh. Then I suppose being caught in the vortex of misery and hopelessness of a crap sack world is any better? I kid, but keep the personal attacks to a simmer. On that note, I think Carole might want to tune it down too.

Besides, the world isn't all bad. We're still alive, aren't we?



Indeed, your mind does that to you - and it helps us all survive. I myself have felt this way with a few people: I once knew girls that to this day are more appealing to me than any porn star, and I felt it progress in realtime with a girl that I was just starting to go out with. Feelings do make a big deal.

I can't answer for Carole but in my situation, I do know a gentleman with nasty burns over his face. He's been married as longs as I've known him so he's out of my reach. Now if this man was single and I was in a social situation where I have already gotten to know his character, I would look past his scars. In fact when I do occasionally have reason to see him, I talk to the man, not his scars.

Regarding whether or not he has a small penis I have no idea, I've had no context under which to have seen it. Usually by the time I have gotten close enough to notice a man's dick, I've already been "intimate" with him in a non sexual way and possibly fallen in love with him. Of course if I'm in love with a man, a small dick is not going kill the relationship.

If you're going to imply that looks are the first thing we judge our prospective partners by, well that may be fine in a night club type setting or through a "lonely hearts club" but as I've said in previous threads, the majority of women fall for people that they are already familiar with in some way. I for one would never, ever, ever go home with a guy I met at a night club no matter how studly he appeared.

Probably not unheard of but unlikely.





Women are no different to men. Yes they like a guy with a good personality, but they like good looks on a guy. If a guys full of burn scars he won't pull many women period.




Maybe being caught in a vortex of what people actually are rather then what I want people to actually be as made me realise this.



But if we were dead, maybe no bad would exist right?

"But if we were dead, maybe no bad would exist right?"


Lol!! Sorry. Ok, by that statment alone, I will have trouble giving any legitimacy to any of your statements now. Wow.

Actually, even without people, the world can be a very bad and harsh place. Nature is not all butterflies and flowers-- its also raging storms, teeth, claws, blood and death. Its starvation and lingering, festering injury and continual loss of life. Yes, its part of the natural order of things. But its not kind, and its not merciful and some of it is just plain bad-- whether there are people or not.

If you dead you wouldn't exist so they'd be no bad. Unless you believe in hell.

I'm pretty sure that bad things will still exist here when I'm dead-- or even if all people were dead. Bad things happen even when there isn't a person there to determine that they are bad.

I'm sure the gazelle thinks the lion chomping its behind is bad. LOL

OH yes definitely. But don't you have to
purposely have to go look for a burn victim to find that. Have you ever seen someone out of all natural child births that have
faces as hideous as a burn victim?
Shame on you if you doubt your looks. I've seen programs very frequently of tiny midgets getting married and are very happy with normal off spring. And you can't tell me that you never seen some attractive girl going out a plain Joe the plumber.
I've seen it. Therefore I negate looks as a reason not to be able to get atleast a plain Jane or even a very hot Helen.
Looks are only so good.I suppose they get your foot into the door a little easier. But when the girl finds out that they are going out with someone that believes that they are just a puny human, all that good looks must fizzle away. imagine some real
hot looking guy that gets the women all looking.Then they talk to him and they find out that the guy asks the girl if he smells ok and if she would please excuse his messy hair. He tells her that he is afraid because the last 5 girls rejected him because of his lousy clothes and not to mention that he tells the girl that they also rejected him because he is 6' tall. He tells the girl to excuse his height problem because many of the women have rejected him because he was either too short of to tall and that being 6' tall is probably one of the worst heights to be.
Not to mentions that he is a very boring person and that scuba diving and sky diving are so boring to him. He said that the sky diving was so boring that one girl ran away from him and took a bus home as soon as she was out of her parachute. It was then that he realized just how boring his life really is.
He then tells the girl that he really should someday take a girl to someplace real exciting like golfing or shuffle board.
He tells the girl that he is glad that he met her because despite all of his faults she seems to like to talk to him. He tells her that if they get serious he might memorize a special poem and recite it just loud enough to hear him. He tell her that he would not want to talk any louder than that because despite him brushing his teeth for a a half our three times a day, that he knows that his breath still stinks.
Such is life.

I remember this really good-looking man-- I mean looked so good, you'd swear some god dropped down to earth to mingle with the mortals for awhile. Every woman I knew who saw him had the same visceral attraction to him--myself included.

Then we got to know him. No, he wasn't really evil or anything-- but he was a few beers short of a six-pack. And that was probably because he drank those beers. He was irresponsible, not so smart(good conversation? forget it) and he wasn't faithful either. That man lost his appeal almost instantly with women as they got to know him. Lookwise-- he was a total hottie-- no one can deny that. But the only way that worked for him in a positive way, was if he kept his distance and didn't speak to anyone. At all. He was a grown man, who couldn't seem to stay with a job or the same woman, or even be a real father to his kids. He was also really stuck on himself.

So while looks can be an asset in many ways (like PBL says- it can get your foot in the door)-- if you don't have anything to back those looks up with- then people get disgusted, lose interest, and/or walk away without a second look. And thats a fact.