Based on my experience, your preference is very normal. I think that for those women in which penis size is an issue, a good 2/3 prefer a healthy average size.

Since at least 50% (probably more) of women seldom or never experience orgasm with vaginal penetration alone, penis size is probably not going to be a big issue for many, as long as it is not so big it hurts.

For those women who do have "vaginal orgasms" a certain size or shape may provide more reliable stimulation, but the comments I have heard from such women have been more about me being "a good fit" than my size.

If I was ever with a woman who fantasized over 8+ inch penises, she kept it to herself. Furthermore, I've been involved in a profession in which I spent long hours in the company of mature (and generally quite uninhibited women) in which I got to be the fly on the wall while they discussed all manner of subjects relating to men, including occasionally penis size. I never once heard a woman say that they prefered a guy with a very large penis.

I'm in the 7 something inch range, and while I have never been kicked out of bed by a woman for being too big, I have been told by a couple that I was a little bigger than desirable.

Good point! To me, the shape, skin coloring, veins, etc. are far more important than size. Isn't it the same with you guys and breasts?

I have seen cocks that were extremely appealing to me and plenty of others that weren't, based on these things. Size has very little to do with it.

It is absolutely the same for men (at least me) and breasts.

The sexiest woman I ever knew and saw naked had very small breasts with great puffy nipples and aerola. They were perfect for her petite frame.

I've admired breasts of nearly every conceivable size. Probably the only size I wouldn't consider attractive are ones that are freakishly large.

The women that I have discussed penis size with tend to talk about cocks like they would a pair of shoes. If the shoes are so big that their feet flop and slide around inside them, they are less than desirable. If the shoes are so small that they hurt the feet and make them bleed then they are no damn use at all. But if they are just big enough to be snug and cozy and conform to the shape of their feet, they are just perfect. And few women are heard to say "bigger shoes are always better".

And if you have a closet full of them, you don't appreciate them as much.

lol

But don't they say that you should always have at least 2 pairs of them so you don't wear them out so fast?

Lol!

Meh... I never said I wouldn't repond to you. Why would I resist it?!

You have to admit though, that I got screwed with my fairytale life. lol.

Even if you were responding to my "little buddie Carole" as you said--(would you have said that so confrontationally if she was a man?)-- you seem to believe that all the women on here are idealists looking for the fairytale. I think I illustrated pretty clearly, that I don't live in a fairytale-- as none of us do. Expecting and wanting respect, caring and a decent partner- are not idealistic fairytales.

And actually, you can probably do better then accusing us of wanting a fairytale life. Have you actually ever read any fairytales? The original stories were often life lessons taught to children- and many of them were not "happily ever after". Thats just a more modern concept. (Case in point: The real "Cinderella" story has the step sisters cutting off parts of their feet to fit in the shoe-- which was a fur slipper by the way. The prince notices it when the blood starts coming out of the slipper. And in the original "Little Mermaid"- she does not get the prince but dies and turns into seafoam and is then spirited away and made into a spirit or fairy or something like that.)

I also don't think Carole is claiming to know what every woman wants (and neither am I)-- but considering that you have made very blatant statements about what you say women really, truly want on here, and then had pretty much every woman disagree with you-- I would guess that she knows more about it then you do.

I never made blatant statements. I'd said I believe women prefer a slightly larger then average penis, which is a big difference to saying I know everything that every woman wants. You are idealistic in your approach. You seem to think that some aren't superior to others based on looks, which is incorrect in the world we live in. Good looks and money make you superior to someone who's ugly and poor, such evidence exists in society, you can tell me I'm wrong but the facts don't lie.

Do you work in the media Bane? Because for the rest of us regular Jo Blows, looks do not count as much as you insist they do. I'm still trying to work out what world you live in. I live in a real world among the regular decent hard working "Aussie Battler" types. We are way too busy getting on with life to obsess over looks or who's got the biggest wallet. We do not live in a Hollywood world of glitz and glamour. George Clooney never pops in for a beer and a barbie. Women are judged by their sense of humour and maybe their Sunday roast not their cup size. Men are judged by whether they're decent husbands and Dads, not their dick size or their pay packet.

That is the real world, as least in surburbia.

No, I said that I don't think good looks make someone more worthy then another person.

Yes, someone can have superior looks-- its pretty obvious-- but that doesn't make them a more worthy (or superior) person then a person like Stephen Hawing with a mind that goes so far beyond most mere mortals; or a person who finds a way to help disadvantaged people, or even a person who just treats others with kindness and concern in their every day lives----someone who actually lives by the golden rule.

Having superior looks is worth nothing if you are empty on the inside. If you have nothing to offer but your looks-- how does that make you more worthy then someone else? Superior in looks-- maybe-- but superior as a person? Not likely.

And I think you know that when I say you are making blatant statements about what women want- that I'm referring to other threads on the forum as well. You have stated very vehemently about what you think is important to women, and that nothing we actually say in reply, is true. We are all just idealists- looking to live in a fairytale world.

My life has certainly not been anywhere near what is ideal or a "happily ever after"- I have had and have faced (and am still facing) struggles--- but I still believe in good people and good relationships. I still believe that most people really do long for someone who really and truly cares for them that they can care for as well. I also believe that some people don't believe that is possible and so don't strive for it. Or believe that they aren't good enough and don't deserve it so they don't try for it.

And even having lots of money doesn't make a person more superior. A superior earner perhaps-- but not a superior person. You may be able to get more things with money-- and may even attract alot of people with that money-- but then you never really know for sure, if the people you are with want you for you-- or for your money. Uck... what a horrible feeling that would be.

I don't know-- it seems to me, that if any of the women on here disagree with you-- then we are just all idealistic or we're living in a fairytale world. None of our life-experience matters to you one iota. You just seem to think that we are living in some kind of alternate dimension where everything is happy, everyone is kind and the sun shines every day.

I can guarantee to you that our lives are not like that. But I can also guarantee-- that no matter how many times we tell you that we don't agree with your assessment about women-- that you will just keep telling us that we are idealistic and not realistic. I'm betting 50 women could come on here and say the same things--- and you would still say that we are all living with our heads in the clouds and don't see reality for what it is.

Apparently- as women, in your mind, our assessments don't matter or aren't real beacause they don't fit into your perception of the world. So naturally, we must all be silly little girls who don't know any better.

At least, this is the feeling that I get from you.

So looks never counted for you? So in all your entire life you've never tried to make yourself as pretty as you can, and every man you've seen has been psychically appealing? If this is the case you're a very unusual person. I never said everybody obsesses over looks, but it seems you and a few others are saying it doesn't matter at all, which is absolute BS. No offence but it really is.

That all depends what line of work the person's doing. If you want to be a model you need good looks.



I never said it did. Someone who's good looking has more options with the opposite sex.



Disagree. I'm not saying it's right to be a bad person. However, many bad people through history are superior in terms of their lifestyle, and the power they had over others.



No I tell you this. When I disagree with with what you say, you try and twist it as if I have an issue with women, whereas from my perspective, I just disagree with what you say. I'm not a misogynist, so I appreciate it if you don't hint I'm one.



And I could go on about my life, but what's the point? My own opinion on most humans is they are quite shallow, greedy and selfish. I admit myself to being rather shallow, I don't apoligise for it, it's the way I am.



I'm sure you've heard the phase "money talks"? And it is true, money really does talk. You can get out of a lot of problems and predicaments if you're wealthy. Being wealthy makes someone superior in this world, regardless of a decent moral compass.



No, I don't think this, some of your comments do strike me as naive.



Once again, you're trying to make it seem like I have an issue with women, which is not the case. To me this is just another Internet forum where I post my opinion, and I don't care if anybody agrees with me or not. You can be male and post an opinion and I will give mine, if I disagree I post my reasons, because I believe I'm correct.

Someone else accused me of being a liar with no proof, and now it seems like your accusing me of having a problem with women. This is toys out of the pram type stuff. Let's just keep it in perspective, I disagree with what you and a few others say. The fact that you're all women is just a coincidence.

No, not every man I've seen has been "psychically" appealing, but they're not the ones I've bedded either. The men that I've bedded have not been appealing in the George Clooney way either but they had a certain charm about them that once I got close enough to them emotionally, I picked up on the little subtleties about their appearance that others would miss but I loved.

I'm not the weird one here, as I've already said, maybe it's a cultural thing but it's like this where I live, here in everyday Suburban Australia.

There is a funny thing about girls and judging looks, I admit that I've known women to criticise other women for their appearance and it's often been said that women dress to impress other women, not for men's benefit. When we look for a man, we look at his hygiene, his manners, his smile and how fondly he talks about his mother.

Just remembered, an hour ago I was at the hospital gym. One of the physiotherapists there could easily pass for Mr Clooney's brother. Some might see him as attractive but he's always seemed rather brusque, so I didn't give him much thought. Today it's Melbourne Cup Day, so a lot of his co-workers were dolled up as is the tradition. This guy was teasing the girls in a friendly manner and suddenly I heard him laugh. I just about fell off my treadmill. This man that previously wasn't attractive in my eyes made me swoon. Not his looks, money (?) or penis size (?). It was his laughter and good humour.

I don't think anyone is saying that looks don't matter at all. Of course they do. What I'm saying- is that looks aren't the be-all end-all that you seem to be saying they are. That many people, once you get to know them, will look better or worse to you directly in relation to their personality. This concept does not seem to get through to you.

This really is pointless. You don't hear what we are saying- and are continally misreading what we are saying. You say that we are misreading you- but I don't think we are. If we were to go through all the quotes on various threads that you've made- I think it would be quite obvious that we have interpreted what you are saying very well.

I have also seen a few posts where you all of a sudden start to soften your statements a bit-- in the beginning, you made very firm "this is the way it is and its the honest to got truth" statements and "people need to hear the reality of it"-- now you are tempering them a little bit with phrases like "some" or "many". Also, instead of stating as pure fact-- you are starting to qualify your statements as being "your opinion" instead of "the absolute truth".

But there just is no point to this debate-- and I should know better by now.I guess sometimes I'm a slow learner. Maybe I really am naive- at least when it comes to you. Repeatedly, you have not understood what we are saying- whether on purpose or not, I don't know.

But like I said-- this is pointless. You have determined that this is the way the world is and this is the way women are-- and if the women happen to disagree with you-- well.... that means we are idealistic, naive, looking for a fairytale and unrealistic. We are all just silly little girls giggling to each other, who don't know anything about the big, bad world around us.

And don't say that you aren't responding to the women here that way-- because you are.

I know you think thats what we are-- because SEVERAL times you have used those very same words and told us thats what we are. You are the one who used words like "naive" and "idealistic" and "living in a fairytale" when referring to the women on here who have responded to you. You are the one who told us we don't understand reality.

So maybe you can understand why I feel as if you are attacking my gender. Because you don't give any validation to anything we say. And You treat us as like we are stupid little kids-- while you are the smart, suave, realistic man who understands the world and the reality of it.

I'm starting to wonder if you get off on it?! Though I'm sure you'll just tell me so calmly that you don't get off on it- but that you are just stating your opinion and the reality of it.

Blah.... this is a waste of time isn't it?