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#15388 - 10/20/09 07:55 PM Re: I have been masturbating frequently [Re: softglans]
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Originally Posted By: softglans
Yes, these are all valid points, and for people with minor leaks I would not doubt that other methods may have some positive effect. It's also obvious that the surgery does not restore the natural design of the occlusive system, so theoretically there is potential for better methods, the question is do they currently exist with successful expectancy(?).


That depends on whose POV you're looking at it from. Some docs swear by their own procedures, while others are a bit more honest and assess the "success" of standard procedures (e.g. venous ligation) at 10-30% on average. "Success" is typically defined by being able to maintain a degree of potency sufficient for intercourse 2-5 years postsurgery. It certainly doesn't denote a full restoration of pre-ED function.

You have to remember that, beneficent appearances aside, most doctors are in business to make a profit. Unfortunately some do so at the expense of their patients' best interests.

If you ask a doctor whose specialty is expensive radical surgery what he thinks you should do, what do you think he's going to tell you? I sincerely doubt that he's going to tell you to try something that's free or low cost or that doesn't directly benefit him financially- especially when you're sitting in his office thousands of miles away from your own home (this is not directed towards any medical professional in particular).

Originally Posted By: softglans
I think however that the few people on this thread are quite severe cases of venous leak, as I think most have been confirmed as such. It is not intended as a thread for general advice, but is merely a coincidental meeting point for a few people


It's very coincidental indeed smile

I think it depends on how you define "severe". Most docs would not define an erection capable of successful penetration as "severely dysfunctional".

Originally Posted By: softglans
who after exhausting all available advice, found Dr.Hsu as the best hope at this point.


I would be interested in reading more about some of the methods tried before you gentlemen considered surgery.

Softglans, I noted in your particular case that [according to your post] you tried Cialis, visited another inept doctor, and then seemed to have made the jump to surgery (referred by your doc, of course).

What degree of erection were you able to obtain aided/unaided? Did you consider trying the vacuum/ring method? What about some of the newer drug combinations or even papaverine? Did you wait until you saw Dr. Hsu to get a cavernosagram done? Did you get a second opinion from an equally qualified doc?

It's surprising to see that you went from being 100% healthy to having severe ED from one particular incident. Did you experience any bruising, pain or swelling after your injury? Is it possible that you had some preexisting anomaly that may have caused your venous leak?

Originally Posted By: softglans
It is also well understood that Dr.Hsu's methods are experimental, from the sole fact that other doctors do not perform similar surgery.


There's that and the fact that even Dr. Hsu's group hasn't claimed any definite viability. Many of today's more established ED surgical procedures are considered "experimental" by insurance companies.

Originally Posted By: softglans
At the same time I know that any person with such a condition is very interested to learn about any possible cure, whatever it may be. As you mention men that has been treated for serious venous leaks by other methods, that is very interesting. But it's hardly enough information to take any action. If you have direct references to reports, articles or other hands-on testimonials, such info would be something we could look into and evaluate, and that would be very helpful and appreciated.. I'm sure you understand that we have to make actual decisions, and act on this type of information, with our future at stake, so any hands on data is very valuable, but also required. For myself, obviously I have already had surgery, but I'm still interested in this, so I don't mind to take this investigation further. As of course, the less invasive options must always be exhausted first.


There certainly is smile

One thing that must be noted is the difference between a "treatment" and a "cure". You should be wary of anyone that states that they can "cure" ED. ED is a condition that is often recurring in nature, so the proper terminology for anything but the implantation of a rod in the penis is a "treatment". Surgeries qualify as treatments since they don't often permanently cure the condition.

Besides the numerous helpful free male enhancement forums, I would suggest reading the more recent works of *Dr. Tom Lue, the book "Superpotency" by Dr. Danoff is an excellent read (if a bit dated), EDGuidance is a good place for a layperson to start, GoldJournal is an excellent source of heavy reading if you're into the latest research, and there are countless alternative medicine and health boards that have a wealth of unbiased information.

You'll find some of the most intriguing treatments being carried on by people that have become fed up with the inefficient and oftentimes abusive system of traditional Western Medicine. Keeping an open mind is a must when visiting these sites if you wish to learn from them.

*Dr. Lue's recent success with "tri-mix" should not be seen as a long term treatment since most such drug combinations usually fizzle out after the body becomes tolerant to them.

Originally Posted By: softglans
However, the statement you made before;
ED caused by weak valves, atherosclerosis, as well as other penile issues can usually be combatted by doing various stamina exercises.
..this I believe unfortunately is far from truth. Even though methods may show some improvement, in some patient groups, it seems still a very difficult condition to cure into satisfactory erection quality. Very often the standard is set by "ability to perform intercourse" etc, so it's also a big difference from what is the goal of a man of age 70, vs people in their 20s and 30s.


No offense, but I may have a bit of an advantage in this area as I have been helping men with their issues for over a decade now. It's been my experience that usually some improvement is noted in most men that give exercises and other non-invasive methods an honest try. We're not talking about some outdated kegel patient study here either- I'm referring to a more holistic approach towards trying to improve health using traditional as well as nontraditional approaches.

Exercises and certain supplements are free/low-cost respectively and a great many men notice results from them. Certainly one should logically start with the simplest methods first before moving on to more complex, expensive, painful, and invasive procedures.

I am not stating that the nonmedical methods these men use are cure-alls nor am I suggesting that a sick man in his 70's will be able to perform like a vigorous 20 year old. Also, some of these men often have to try more than one method, and it may take months or even years to see satisfactory results (although a good proportion of men do see measureable results within weeks, though these men are usually fairly healthy to begin with).

There are also going to be unfortunate cases that don't seem to respond to anything but the most aggressive methods.

On an end note, I don't understand why I'm occasionally met with hostility by certain entities when I recommend starting with the simplest of procedures first to see what the results are. One would think that I was attacking their livelihood wink The etiology of ED isn't totally understood even by the most seasoned of medical professionals. Sometimes you have to find the answers when others can't/won't.

When in doubt refer to Occam's Razor, which suggests that the simpler solution is usually the best one.

Hope this helps smile

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#15394 - 10/21/09 01:29 AM Re: I have been masturbating frequently [Re: Big Al]
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I understand you have a strong view, but you fail to provide the back-up references, like "peer reviewed publications", that is needed to in any way confirm that your opinions are applicable for our conditions. There are endless of more shallow books about potency that are not applicable, or mostly written for the sake of profit. But if any book or source has some actual valued info, this info is available also in the form of medical publications/specific papers. Otherwise the information is not good enough to make decisions on.

It's a big difference of treating mild ED, or classic ED which is normally due to typical age or health issues, vs the type of ED we discuss in this thread. This is a distinction that may not be very obvious or easy to accept by others, but is very clear for one who has such a condition. It's long list of established reasons why people have ED, and much can be said and researched in general, but when you are an actual patient you find soon that you fit in a very narrow space with your condition, and your research has to become very specific, and so does the possible solutions. You will find that there is a ton of information, but only a few pieces are related to yourself.

Hence, my expression that this thread is for very specific conditions, and in no way any general advice.

I have no problem believing that "some" improvement can occur in "some" patients, however for people who are young and otherwise healthy, "some" improvement is ultimately not what they are looking for. I can speak for myself that the venous leak was so clear that I could simply push a finger on my DDV, and block the leak, so the mechanical indications were very obvious, and surgery highly justified. Allthough my erection quality may have been only reduced to 75%, my satisfaction with the sexual condition was maybe 20% only, and similarily also the impact on my overall sex life. I'm young and have not any desire to settle with significantly reduced sexual ability, if there are options to regain my potency fully, with minimal or acceptible risks.

I also do not have a positive impression of any surgery other than that of Dr.Hsu, which is one very special doctor. He has operated about 4000 patients under his own hand, for erectile dysfunction, and has an experience and dedication you will not find even a slight comparison to in any other doctor. His method can hence not be generalized in any way, since it's not being replicated yet. I know very well that many doctors may be after pure profit, but I can assure that when it's about your own penis, you become very sensitive about picking up such signals. Dr.Hsu clearly also has too many clients and too much to do. I also talked to him about several patients whom he did not want to operate, because of various reasons of potential complications.

It's indeed a field where you can step wrong. I met a patient of Dr.Hsu who was in for his 2nd surgery with him, and his 3rd overall. He had got ED initially from use of recreational use of Sildenafil (Viagra), which created leaks. After unsuccessfull surgery in Belgium, he lost 100% of his potency, which remained unchanged for a year. After surgery by Dr.Hsu he successfully regained 85%, where 15% had to be performed under a 2nd surgery one year later, which was now. This due to damage from the first operation in Belgium hindered full access in his first salvaging surgery. So surgery is indeed a risky thing in general. And you would make sure that your surgeon has a very long track record for the type of surgery he shall perform.

And of course, to properly research your own condition, to exhaust the potential for other options. This is also why I started to indicate some caution on the success rates, and talk about the increased risk for people who have still a significantly functioning potency level, as you still have a lot to lose. My intention with this is exactly to avoid that people jump the gun on deciding for surgery. It should be a thoroughly researched decision, backed up by the best medical professionals.

But it must be remembered that in the end many people will undergo penis surgery at various doctors around the world. And if ultimately surgery is the option, then it's extremly valid and important to chose the right place to perform it. Hence a place to discuss that in particular is important. And that is what this thread is about. It's hard to find actual testimonials from patients from specific doctors. And while theory is good, nothing can beat the actual experiences from patients, so I think that's very important to collect, on the good and bad. Post-operation healing and side effects. These are unvaluable info. All other info is already available around the internet, but this type of info is only here, and hence very important for the few interested.

So we shall continue to share these experiences, while we all make some second thoughts and research on potential for other type of healing. It's all case by case here, specific for each individual, and I think we are all well aware of that.

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#15413 - 10/21/09 02:53 PM Re: I have been masturbating frequently [Re: softglans]
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Originally Posted By: softglans
I understand you have a strong view, but you fail to provide the back-up references, like "peer reviewed publications", that is needed to in any way confirm that your opinions are applicable for our conditions. There are endless of more shallow books about potency that are not applicable, or mostly written for the sake of profit. But if any book or source has some actual valued info, this info is available also in the form of medical publications/specific papers. Otherwise the information is not good enough to make decisions on.


Are you kidding?

Let me break it down for you-

To begin, I recommended reading the works of one of the most eminent urological surgeons in history- Dr. Tom Lue. This gentleman's track record is one of the most extensive and brilliant in his field. Dr. Lue has made history with his procedures, and a better reviewed doctor you'll likely not find. Do a little research on the man and see what he thinks of surgery vs. the alternatives. A simple Google search will supply you and anyone interested with more than enough data on this man's work.

I also recommended researching several different medical alternatives to surgery that countless doctors are prescribing to their patients- the pump method, tri-mix, etc. for men with DDV issues. Surely you don't think that these methods aren't "peer reviewed".

Have you read Dr. Danoff's book?

Did you check out EDguidance.com?

GoldJournal is one of the most respected journals in the field of urology. There's enough data on that site to keep you busy reading for years- almost all of it very conservatively backed by studies and peer reviews.

As for medical alternatives, well, there may not be extensive "peer reviews" done on many of them but men have been using these alternative methods with varying degrees success. Most of them would be more than happy to share their details with anyone who asks.

The treatment of venous leakage ED is a controversial one in the medical community, and you'll find a lot of disagreements as to what the "proper" procedures for treatment are all the way up to the highest levels of the profession. This is due to the difficulty of success in this area, the sheer number of alternatives, professional bias, and (of course) the motivation of profit.

I didn't "fail" to provide details (peer reviewed or otherwise)- you failed to follow up on what I posted or you just didn't bother to read through it thoroughly. If you're to be taken seriously you should address a post in its entirety before replying with such "foot in mouth" statements.

For you to dismiss/belittle ALL of my suggestions in an effort to tout your doctor's procedure as somehow applicable to men that may not be in need of them...well, either you didn't truly look my suggestions over or you just didn't care....and that smells as fishy as a red herring.

Originally Posted By: softglans
It's a big difference of treating mild ED, or classic ED which is normally due to typical age or health issues, vs the type of ED we discuss in this thread. This is a distinction that may not be very obvious or easy to accept by others, but is very clear for one who has such a condition. It's long list of established reasons why people have ED, and much can be said and researched in general, but when you are an actual patient you find soon that you fit in a very narrow space with your condition, and your research has to become very specific, and so does the possible solutions.


Like narrowing it down to radical experimental surgery without looking into alternatives first?

Originally Posted By: softglans
You will find that there is a ton of information, but only a few pieces are related to yourself.


Unless you're designed on a completely different body plan, then what works for men with issues similar to yours (DDV leakage) will likely work for you in some capacity.

Originally Posted By: softglans
Hence, my expression that this thread is for very specific conditions, and in no way any general advice.

I have no problem believing that "some" improvement can occur in "some" patients, however for people who are young and otherwise healthy, "some" improvement is ultimately not what they are looking for. I can speak for myself that the venous leak was so clear that I could simply push a finger on my DDV, and block the leak, so the mechanical indications were very obvious, and surgery highly justified. Allthough my erection quality may have been only reduced to 75%, my satisfaction with the sexual condition was maybe 20% only, and similarily also the impact on my overall sex life. I'm young and have not any desire to settle with significantly reduced sexual ability, if there are options to regain my potency fully, with minimal or acceptible risks.


According to the literature, most surgical ED patients do not achieve long term results. As you admitted, you weren't hoping for 100% restoration as you knew that that would be "impossible" due to the rerouting of your blood vessels. Parts of your penis will naturally have to be deprived of blood- giving you, at best, a "functional" but not a pleasingly aesthetic erection. We don't even have to discuss the formation of tunical scar tissue that will inevitably result from your surgery, however minor your incisions may be. How this affects your EQ in the future remain to be seen.

Yet again, your condition may have been improved upon by using other methods that would have left your erection looking natural (perhaps minus the rings, needle marks, etc.), but you have completely/conveniently ignored discussing them.

Considering the severity of your leak, I would appreciate it if you answered these questions that were posed to you in my previous post: Did you experience any bruising, pain or swelling after your injury? Is it possible that you had some preexisting anomaly that may have caused your venous leak? Your description of your injury almost makes it sound like a venous rupture instead of a distention of valves- seeing as that the DDV lies under layers of tunica, and that would have necessitated immediate medical attention.

Please clarify this.

Originally Posted By: softglans
I also do not have a positive impression of any surgery other than that of Dr.Hsu, which is one very special doctor. He has operated about 4000 patients under his own hand, for erectile dysfunction, and has an experience and dedication you will not find even a slight comparison to in any other doctor. His method can hence not be generalized in any way, since it's not being replicated yet. I know very well that many doctors may be after pure profit, but I can assure that when it's about your own penis, you become very sensitive about picking up such signals. Dr.Hsu clearly also has too many clients and too much to do. I also talked to him about several patients whom he did not want to operate, because of various reasons of potential complications.


You have avoided answering many of my questions so let's try this again.

You admit to trying one method (an erectile drug commonly not effective with your kind of ED) before opting for surgery. Surely you did not exhaust all other available, more proven (and less expensive) options. Did Dr. Hsu ask you what you had tried before putting you under the knife? Did he recommend his surgery without recommending other methods first? Which other surgeons/surgical procedures have you researched?

Originally Posted By: softglans
It's indeed a field where you can step wrong. I met a patient of Dr.Hsu who was in for his 2nd surgery with him, and his 3rd overall. He had got ED initially from use of recreational use of Sildenafil (Viagra), which created leaks. After unsuccessfull surgery in Belgium, he lost 100% of his potency, which remained unchanged for a year. After surgery by Dr.Hsu he successfully regained 85%, where 15% had to be performed under a 2nd surgery one year later, which was now. This due to damage from the first operation in Belgium hindered full access in his first salvaging surgery. So surgery is indeed a risky thing in general. And you would make sure that your surgeon has a very long track record for the type of surgery he shall perform.


I take it that this unfortunate patient had to pay for these "follow ups" himself frown

Originally Posted By: softglans
And of course, to properly research your own condition, to exhaust the potential for other options. This is also why I started to indicate some caution on the success rates, and talk about the increased risk for people who have still a significantly functioning potency level, as you still have a lot to lose. My intention with this is exactly to avoid that people jump the gun on deciding for surgery.


But that's exactly what you seemed to have done- wittingly or unwittingly.

Originally Posted By: softglans
It should be a thoroughly researched decision, backed up by the best medical professionals.


Again you miss the point. The typical ED patient is not going to have the degree of knowledge that you seem to have (despite you not having exhausted other options). Most people blindly do what a doctor tells them to do because it's typical of people to surrender themselves to the authority of the White Coat. Should a doctor tell him that only radical surgery in a remote country will cure his condition, that despairing man may feel that that's all he's got.

Now, it's my intention to inform men that there are indeed other methods available, and that it's incumbent upon them to thoroughly educate themselves so that they have the skills to make the decision that's right for them.

I can guarantee that most doctors, if they truly cared about their patients, would not recommend a very new form of experimental surgery right off the bat. Most people can't afford it, their insurance won't cover it, and there are too many cheaper, less invasive, proven nonsurgical techniques that would likely resolve the issue at the same level or or with a better degree of success than the surgical procedure would.

Originally Posted By: softglans
But it must be remembered that in the end many people will undergo penis surgery at various doctors around the world. And if ultimately surgery is the option, then it's extremly valid and important to chose the right place to perform it. Hence a place to discuss that in particular is important. And that is what this thread is about. It's hard to find actual testimonials from patients from specific doctors. And while theory is good, nothing can beat the actual experiences from patients, so I think that's very important to collect, on the good and bad. Post-operation healing and side effects. These are unvaluable info. All other info is already available around the internet, but this type of info is only here, and hence very important for the few interested.


This thread reads more like an advertisement for Dr. Hsu or an extension of his fan club than a group of men looking for sensible solutions to ED.

You made a very interesting post in another section of this forum:

Originally Posted By: softglans
It's as simple as "follow the money". The man's penis through the weakness of the brain, is the easiest way to make money.


On a patient-per-patient basis, surgery is the most financially lucrative option. Surely you'll agree that Dr. Hsu's 4000+ patients at $10,000 a pop on average [for a surgery that does NOT "cure" ED] makes for quite a good living.

I'll repeat this for the benefit of those that haven't read through this long winded thread:

Radical penile surgery should be considered a final option after more conservative methods have been tried first. Educate yourself and research other possible alternatives first!

For you to suggest that intermediary steps are not necessary because you have some special version of ED or because Dr. Hsu seems like a nice guy is irresponsible.

Originally Posted By: softglans
So we shall continue to share these experiences, while we all make some second thoughts and research on potential for other type of healing. It's all case by case here, specific for each individual, and I think we are all well aware of that.


I have yet to hear you recommend any procedure beyond Dr. Hsu's.

You seemed to have completely downplayed and belittled my numerous suggestions for men with your condition without regards for the content of the information I've provided. Either you didn't read what I posted or you're too blinded by your own doctor's brilliance to give it an honest go. There's also the possibility that you work for Dr. Hsu and are here to promote his services, but we can't prove that just yet wink

For those of you reading this that think that's a paranoid suggestion, please keep in mind that I've been participating on various male enhancement forums for over 10 years now and have seen them spammed, hacked, and attacked by entities that have a lot to lose from men seeking out alternatives to their expensive treatments. It's an ongoing fight and the tactics range from blatant spam to the more subtle shilling where these people (often more than one) will ingratiate themselves into the community before promoting their wares.

Here's an interesting example of one such incident- several years ago, one of the moderators at PEForums busted an employee of a phalloplastician (penis enlargement surgeon) hacking the forum after having participated as a member for several months. When caught, this person claimed to have been pushed to doing so because the enlargement forums were depriving him of income!

Softglans, you seem to be fairly well informed on the subject of DDV "venous leak" ED. Tell us, what exactly would you advise to someone in your condition that doesn't have tens of thousands of dollars and plenty of free time, fears the prospect of surgery, or can't/won't wait several months for a patient slot?

If you had to do it over again- given the constraints above- what would you recommend?


Edited by Big Al (10/21/09 03:29 PM)

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#15414 - 10/21/09 03:51 PM Re: I have been masturbating frequently [Re: Big Al]
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I'm not questioning the credibility of the sources you suggest. I just ask if you can provide links to abstracts of papers that are relevant to significant venous leak ED. If you could it will progress the discussion in a healthy and respectful manner, instead of the offensive way you are now writing in.

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#15415 - 10/21/09 04:08 PM Re: I have been masturbating frequently [Re: softglans]
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Ok, I hope we can stay a bit focused on the actual methods. I found here one abstract by Dr. Tom Lue.

Surgery for crural venous leakage

This is from 1999. I will try to find other alternative abstracts from later papers.

This resembles part of the surgery that Dr.Hsu perform. Except that Dr.Hsu does not detach the ligament from the pubic bone, and is hence a bit less invasive method. Still Dr.Hsu's surgery is more extensive in other areas, but he considers that required to achieve a successful result.

It can be mentioned that Dr.Hsu's method in 2002/03 have changed significantly towards today, to include a much higher number of ligations.


Edited by softglans (10/21/09 04:23 PM)

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#15416 - 10/21/09 04:18 PM Re: I have been masturbating frequently [Re: softglans]
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Originally Posted By: softglans
I'm not questioning the credibility of the sources you suggest. I just ask if you can provide links to abstracts of papers that are relevant to significant venous leak ED. If you could it will progress the discussion in a healthy and respectful manner, instead of the offensive way you are now writing in.


I was certainly not trying to be offensive(?) Certainly I was nowhere nearly as offensive as you were in your post to me here.

You did refer to my sources as not having peer reviews, and you alluded to the book that I mentioned as a "shallow" publication. Now you're asking for links to "abstract studies". You'll find studies galore in some of the internet publications I've mentioned (as well as by searching for Dr. Lue's work), but I'll also do you the favor of including some (along with a few links of interest) in a PM to you.

As to outside links, it's frowned upon in this forum to post links without express permission, but you can take it upon yourself to cut and paste the aforementioned website names into your browser (e.g.- goldjournal), and you can conduct a search on any of the terms I've mentioned (and further refine them by adding the term "venous leak" or "deep dorsal vein erectile dysfunction") and you'll get more than enough data on DDV ED procedures and alternatives to keep you busy.

Perhaps now you would do me the courtesy of answering my questions to you.

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#15417 - 10/21/09 04:35 PM Re: I have been masturbating frequently [Re: Big Al]
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Big Al ,
I don't try to aggravate you. But you attack almost every detail of my post with a lot of questions. It's impossible to hold a discussion this way, we will post forever. We need to focus on the topic, which is to search for alternatives to surgery and see what success rate they may have. This is indeed the main point you are making too.

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#15418 - 10/21/09 04:52 PM Re: I have been masturbating frequently [Re: softglans]
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Originally Posted By: softglans
Ok, I hope we can stay a bit focused on the actual methods. I found here one abstract by Dr. Tom Lue.

Surgery for crural venous leakage

This resembles part of the surgery that Dr.Hsu perform. Except that Dr.Hsu does not detach the ligament from the pubic bone, and is hence a bit less invasive method.

This is from 1999. I will try to find other alternative abstracts from later papers.


I thought the point of this exercise was to find abstracts for nonsurgical procedures...oh well. Dr. Lue is more heavily involved in surgical alternatives these days. I do see that you used GoldJournal though smile

Since links are frowned upon in this forum, here are some references to nonsurgical alternatives for DDV ED (since we're posting here, I'll just PM you the nonsurgical alternative sites I've come across):

(in the embryonic stages of development) Lue T. Stem cells and the treatment of sexual dysfunction; Presented at: 2007 Winter Meeting of the Sexual Medicine Society of North America; December 6–9, 2007; Chicago, IL.

(trimix) Muller A, Rojas Cruz, Choi JM, et al. Predictors of venous leak development in men following radical prostatectomy. J Sex Med. 2008;5(suppl 1):21. Poster 47.

(ethanol) Pelvic venoablation with ethanol for the treatment of erectile dysfunction due to veno-occlusive dysfunction. Miwa Y, Shioyama R, Itou Y, Kanamaru H, Okada K. Urology. 2001 Jul;58(1):76-9.

McMahon CG. Nonsurgical treatment of cavernosal venous leakage. Urology 1997;49:97-100.

From Dr. Lue himself: "For patients who have failed medical management of ED or who are dissatisfied with its result, surgical therapy may be considered; however, all nonsurgical options should be fully explored prior to embarking on a surgical course."
RE: Ch. 33- Pg 415 of "Male sexual dysfunction: pathophysiology and treatment" By Fouad R. Kandeel

There's also much to be said about the more traditional methods of treating ED (like with pumps), as well as some of the more exotic methods like urethral suppositories (Muse).


Edited by Big Al (10/21/09 05:12 PM)

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#15419 - 10/21/09 04:55 PM Re: I have been masturbating frequently [Re: softglans]
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Originally Posted By: softglans
Big Al ,
I don't try to aggravate you. But you attack almost every detail of my post with a lot of questions. It's impossible to hold a discussion this way, we will post forever. We need to focus on the topic, which is to search for alternatives to surgery and see what success rate they may have. This is indeed the main point you are making too.


There's no attacking here- I'm merely trying to find out a bit more about your particular experience to see how we can help men find the best methods for treating their ailments.

I've answered many of your questions in detail, a reply to mine is just common courtesy.

What nonsurgical remedies would you recommend?


Edited by Big Al (10/21/09 05:08 PM)

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#15420 - 10/21/09 05:20 PM Re: I have been masturbating frequently [Re: Big Al]
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Originally Posted By: Big Al

What nonsurgical remedies would you recommend?


If talking about significant venous leak, I have no answer for this. From my current research there is nothing non surgical that can restore a so called normal erectile function for my case.

Originally Posted By: Big Al

There's also much to be said about the more traditional methods of treating ED (like with pumps), as well as some of the more exotic methods like urethral suppositories (Muse).

Yes, pump and Muse were alternatives proposed by my European specialist, and DDV surgery was his third option. The former are obviously not to improve the condition, but a way to "live with it".

For myself, at a young age, and where sex is a large part of my life, it was not an option to live with such devices, if it existed surgical methods that could restore a normal erection quality, and be safe and with minimal chances of side effects. I wanted to be able to have spontaneous sex at remote locations, outside in nature, and at any time without the need to use such assisting devices.

That is why I opted for surgery, even though he gave me only 30% chance of long term improvement. In the end though, I chose different surgery, after search for better success rate.

Yes, and one more thing, a penis ring. That is probably the most attractive tool to use for anyone, in order to live with similar condition. I opted out of that one, due to unsatisfying results though.

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